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    ^ What he said...and pretty much exactly what I proposed last year: conf. champs get automatic ins (like in the pros..), with x number of "wildcards" to fill out the brackets and recognize that some conferences will have more than one "standout" team other than the conf. champion (and with or without 1st round byes - I say yes to 1st round byes for top two seeds, just to give the committees something to feel "important" about and satisfy their egos)! End the stupidity of "figure skating judges" deciding who's worthy....this needs to be decided ON THE FIELD OF PLAY (i.e., the "regular season"). Just like the pros do it (and NO pro's would EVER stand for "experts" deciding who gets to go to the playoffs and who does not). Current system has always sucked and always will suck (and most importantly, the current system is not fair to the PLAYERS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwalkerruns View Post
    I will go with Alabama, TCU, Michigan, Florida. I am 100 percent for expanding the playoff until every major conf champ (five) are automatically in. Last year was crap. Alabama did not win the sec, did not win the western division of the sec, did not even win the state of alabama but got in. Not for what they did on the field but for their amazing talent. They were ranked fifth at the end of the regular season but the bookies had them as favorites if they got in. I say do the five champs plus one at large for six total. The top two seeds get a bye while 3 hosts 6 and 4 hosts 5 in early Dec. The winners play the top two seeds in late December. This gets all the champs in, maintains bowls, and allows teams to stop scheduling patsies non conf as losses out of conf will not doom you.
    I disagree. I see no reason why all the teams you see as "champs" should be in.
    Alabama did not win the SEC but that is not a requirement.
    The goal of the FF Committee is to find the National Champion.
    To say Alabama was not that in 2017 is ridiculous.

    Putting in the five Power Champs +1 makes no sense except to "feel good' snowflakes. The goal is to find the "National Champion", and the FF Committee are 100%.

    Just being in a Power Five Conference means squat. The deal is what transpired in the season. Schools not in the "power five" can do like Notre Dame can choose to play a schedule on that level, but they do not. If ND wins they belong in, if the others do, they do not.

    To date 3 of the power five conferences have been left at home. I like that. That makes it more fun as no one has a sure route in. That alone validates the FF Committee as to politics.

    Non conference games are great and encouraged by the FF Committee. No one is doomed (but rewarded) for playing them. If Clemson looses to Texas A$M they are not out. If they loose their last game to USuCk they don't deserve to be in.

    As to bookies, I agree, but that crap started this week with the Coaches Poll.
    I believe all teams should start off ranked where they left the season before as they "earned' that. Instead "idiots" come out with a list where no one has earned squat.
    It is very important.
    If you are up there, you remain until beaten. If not up there you can't climb until those ahead loose.

    Prime examples would be:

    - Michigan who finished unranked and now by magic is #14.
    - Washington went from 15 to #6?
    - Central Florida went from 7 to #23?

    In 2017 Teams earned their ranking, but it is not carried over.
    Now "experts" are placing them, not "on the field play". This is not a crap poll but one with meaning as to final rankings.
    It obviously is a crap poll.

    This poll influences as to who the FF will be and who will go to what Bowl.

    For example, Clemson is #2. As long as they win, they will not fall below that. They start with Furman (a local high school), and no matter what happens across the nation, if they win win --> will remain at #2.
    If Auburn kicks the crap out of Washington on day one (or the reverse) will they take top 5 if those ranked above them "by idiots" beat some school no one has heard of? -> nope. That is crap.

    There is just one official poll the FF looks at. It should not come out until October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentOrange View Post
    Stop the press !!!

    My FF Four post was to be "tempting bait" to draw out Elgrau who claims he will pick winners but ignore the discussion until the FF is more than four.

    Let the fun begin!!
    (more fun if cranky Ed will join in).
    Quote Originally Posted by elgrau View Post
    Current system has always sucked and always will suck (and most importantly, the current system is not fair to the PLAYERS).
    I claim 100% success.
    I am amazed that you other guys are too weak to join in.

    Ed was easy as he is not scared to post his thinking on something silly like this topic or anything.

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    Bill(agent orange), as usual your socialist loving self is wrong! You erroneously put quote marks on conf champs as if they were not champs. Accept it, they won their conferences fair and square on the field. Why have conf races if the champion is not the champion? You complain about the season having too many games but are okay with the conferences playing an extra game (with the risk of injuries and a loss) but do not believe the winner of such a game should gain by it. Alabama gained by losing to auburn last year. Auburn had to come off that draining win over Alabama then play Georgia the next week while alabama got to rest and campaign. Alabama was the third best team in the sec according to the sec but got to stay home and gain by losing. If we are going to campaign for the playoff and not have automatic entries then why have extra games for conference championships (which mean nothing anyway)? Football is not like basketball. Teams have limited games and because of the current system play as many patsies as they can non conf to pad their record. It also hard to compare teams from different parts of the country. Going with six means that champs get in and having one at large would handle the situation like an alabama. It would also mean that most likely no one would play more games than the current system. Only see benefits of going to six. The best benefit would be less games like alabama vs western carolina. P.S. Can i change my four to: alabama michigan tcu texas?

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    By far, the most profound IMPROVEMENT the above playoff system would facilitate is the simple fact that it would allow ANY team in these conferences to make the playoffs: simply WIN your conference championship, which is 100% in your control. The current system does not have this and instead, "figure skating judges" determine who is "worthy" of making the playoffs. No one can complain....and simply have the remaining team with the best conference record amongst all five conferences be the wildcard team (to round the field out at 6 teams in the playoffs). No "judges" in a good old boy network needed! Use the current ranking system to seed the matchups (to give these egotists something to do..): 1 and 2 get a 1st round bye (where 1 and 2 refer to the highest and 2nd highest ranked teams that also have won their conference, etc.); 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. 2nd round: 1 plays lowest ranked left from 1st round; 2 plays next lowest. BOTH these playoff week 1 and week 2 games can easily be accommodated in the current bowl game system. Then, the championship game is played on the same date that currently is played under the 4 team playoff system.

    But as stated, BY FAR the main improvement is that "figure skating judges" no longer determine the 6 teams that make the playoffs: this is 100% determined by PLAY ON THE FIELD! And since based on conference champs, strength of schedule is a minimal effect and a weak non-conference scheduled opponent would only HURT a team's chances of getting the coveted 1st round bye that only the #1 and #2 seeds receive (which they only would if they had a stronger schedule then another 12-0 conference winner, e.g.). And similar tie breakers as used in the pros would be employed if needed when determining the wildcard team based on 1st conference record, then overall record, etc.
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    Good Fun !!

    Quote Originally Posted by gwalkerruns View Post
    Bill(agent orange), as usual your socialist loving self is wrong!



    As usual, when people on the left coast can't form a logical debate, they revert to personal attacks.
    People in La La Land would rather give all a prize so no snowflake feelings are hurt. Even keeping score is banned at many left coast schools.

    Why bother with on field performance during 12-13 games, just let in all teams. That is their goal,. Give them 8 and then they will demand to expand to 16, then they will cry for 32, then etc, etc.
    Why even play the regular season if it has no meaning? Scrap that and give every team an invite.


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    Here we go!
    1. Georgia
    2. Clemson
    3. Alabama
    4. Washington

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    Mike and Tony need help in my opinion.
    This year the order listed counts.

    Can Georgia and Alabama both get in - apparently.

    My thinking is like last year, one must be #4 if both get in.

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    Mike and Tony need help in my opinion.
    This year the order listed counts.

    Can Georgia and Alabama both get in - apparently.

    My thinking is like last year, one must be #4 if both get in.
    I forgot to read the new rules!

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    RULE ADJUSTMENT

    A need has arisen to adjust the rules a tiny bit.
    Word came in over the magic line that the Great Pumpkin may not make it this year due to incarceration problems in Vegas. (don't ask).

    The last date to make changes has been changed by a couple days. The shift will be to honor Cousin Quowor. The youngster will be 333 years old.
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    All changes must now be made by the end of October 28th at MIDNIGHT.

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    All these experts are out in droves with their top list.
    The sad deal is most of us know only what they write as some might have an inside line.

    The aggregate consensus is "lock step" as they all repeat each other.
    If any here want to make a side bet on the Top Four, I am all in.

    Some excellent teams left from the conversation as I see it are:
    Michigan State
    Miss State
    Texas
    Miami

    There is zero reason why MS will not make the final four.
    They bring back most, so are a veteran team with excellent coaching and a team (coming back) that excelled last season. MS likes to keep games close and the rap is the returning RB (LJ Scott) is suspect? That makes me smile like when the experts said Clemson was "light" with Wayne Gallman and going no where. Scott is now a grown man and will again carry the rock. If one believes Scott is the weak link, one is what most most experts are --> idiots.

    After a thousand years of being the richest team as to money and talent, Texas might --? Look back and one can see how the last many years I have been livid over them being put in the top 20 every damned year (like ND, Mich, and USC).
    I believe this year they can win the conference. I would not bet my home on it, but it is not a reach.


    Miami is likely to again win the Coastal ACC as maybe only Alabama and Georgia have more talent as a team. That puts them in the ACC Championship and anything can happen in one game. Last season Miami was a chip shot game for Clemson but this is not last year.

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    Alabama
    Clemson
    Georgia
    Notre Dame

    Since my wife went to Auburn I would make them #5. Since I do not pay much attention to all of this it is fun when on the road to listen to people argue about "their" team. My in laws would put Virginia Tech in there as would several of my friends from Virginia. I spend a lot of time in Georgia and Alabama and Florida so I have to duck when I mention Auburn.

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    Good picks Marty. Auburn has a shot, they were one game away last season.
    Their schedule is brutal with games AT Georgia, Alabama and Miss State, then mostly a second game against Georgia if they win their division. That seems like too much for any team. I am hoping they roll all over Washington in week one.

    VT has a shot as them winning their division and going 11-1 is reasonable. Once again they have a rather easy schedule. They get Florida State early plus Notre Dame and Miami at home. "At Home" means a lot for VT.

    Notre Dame is the fun pick. They have everything in place to make the final four. They have the talent and a schedule that is easier than past seasons but tough enough to get them in if they win it. I believe they can.
    Nothing will make the FF Contest more fun than if they are undefeated when it kicks off at the end of October.

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    My wife was just telling me how tuff the Auburn schedule is. No matter. Since I don't pay much if any attention to this stuff, I am curious as to how I finish. Maybe if Auburn gets through the early games I may drop one of my picks and put Auburn in. I would love to see Alabama fall short.

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    My wife was just telling me how tuff the Auburn schedule is. No matter. Since I don't pay much if any attention to this stuff, I am curious as to how I finish. Maybe if Auburn gets through the early games I may drop one of my picks and put Auburn in. I would love to see Alabama fall short.

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