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    Final Four Contest

    Final Four Contest

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    The "Official" experts (Coaches Poll) ranking came out today.
    1. Alabama (13-1)
    2. Clemson (12-2)
    3. Ohio State (12-2)
    4. Georgia (13-2)
    5. Oklahoma (12-2)
    6. Washington (10-3)
    7. Wisconsin (13-1)
    8. Miami (Fla.) (10-3)
    9. Penn State (11-2)
    10. Auburn (10-4)
    11. Notre Dame (10-3)
    12. Michigan State (10-3)
    13. Stanford (9-5)
    14. Michigan (8-5)
    15. Southern California (11-3)
    16. TCU (11-3)
    17. Virginia Tech (9-4)
    18. Mississippi State (9-4)
    19. Florida State (7-6)
    20. West Virginia (7-6)
    21. Texas (7-6)
    22. Boise State (11-3)
    23. Central Florida (13-0)
    24. LSU (9-4)
    25. Oklahoma State (10-3)

    They are always wrong. CFB is very hard to predict.
    Some sure bets will fade, and teams not suppose to do well will win.
    It happens every year.

    Some teams with "more" will fail to assemble a team from all their talent, and some with "less" will get all the guys on the same page. It happens every year.

    Picking the Final Four has been done here on YardCrap from the start of the Final Four and has always a fun roller coaster ride. Gnomes expect the same this year as they aint as dumb as they appear.

    The rules will be slightly different from last year.

    - Cut off will be when the Great Pumpkin arrives (Midnight October 31st).
    - Post your picks for the four teams that you believe will make the College Football Final Four.
    - Post them in the order you believe the FF Committee will place them.

    Change your picks as often as you change your mind until the GP arrives at Midnight.
    In case of ties, the earliest post wins, so this rule is very important and adds to the strategy.

    Points are awarded depending on how many you pick right. This year an additional point is gained by placing a team "in the position" awarded them by the FF Committee. That means there are 8 points available this year as opposed to 4 in past years.

    Prizes:


    1st - The World's Best Bird House. Gnomes prefer this model. It has a large rain roof over hang, metal hole predator guard, raised wire floor for blowfly protection, hinged viewing window, and hinged side door for easy cleaning - made in the USA.

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    2nd prize - Photo of General US Grant donated by elgrau

    Prize list may be updated depending on the generosity of members.

    Pick now and pick often.
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    My picks are:

    C L E M S O N
    Alabama
    Washington
    Wisconsin

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    My picks are:
    Georgia
    Clemson
    Alabama
    Wisconsin

    The year of the Dawg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kelly View Post
    My picks are:
    Georgia
    Clemson
    Alabama
    Wisconsin

    The year of the Dawg!
    I hope this is the year of the Dawg!

    Nothing would be finer (if you live in Carolina) than to see Georgia and Clemson square off in the last game.

    That probably means they have to beat Alabama before the FF is announced. It is unlikely both get in again, but WTF do I know?

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    It is my hope that it will be a Georgia/Clemson game for the National Championship. That will be fun!

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    My pics are:

    #1 Clemson
    #2 Alabama
    #3 Wisconsin
    #4 Oklahoma

    I look forward to all the surprises that the season brings this year! There is nothing like College football! I hold season tickets to both UNC football and Carolina Panthers football. I am a huge fan of football in general. The difference between college football and the NFL is that one game can eliminate a University from it all. By the end of the season all the so called experts are usually made to look like fools with their predictions. I expect the same to probably happen to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentOrange View Post
    My picks are:

    C L E M S O N
    Alabama
    Washington
    Wisconsin
    Looking at my picks, need to change as I am antsy.
    So far I can't justify changing and loosing my position. Of course the sooner I change, the more my position will improve as others change. I am sure to change a few times.

    I'll keep these for now as who would I change to?

    Oklahoma was looking like a World beater, and someone I might switch to, but now has lost a key player. They still look likely to go undefeated in the Big 12, so ...?

    Wisconsin is actually looking better than when I chose them due to Mich and Penn looking a little weak right now. OHS looks great, but Wisconsin will only face them if both make the Championship game. MS looked poor this past week. I think Wisconsin still has an excellent chance.

    Washington lost, but played really well. I still see them as the Pac 12 Champs. They cannot loose another game and get in.

    Notre Dame opened up great, but looked less this past week. More and more I see them as 12-0.

    Georgia seems to be rock solid. They are 100% in the SEC Championship and most likely 12-0 then. I still know little as to Alabama. The thing is I don't think both can get in again. This may be the best offense Alabama has had in years. I am suspect that Alabama (or any team) can go 12-0 due to teams looking good right now their division.

    My Tigers got by a tough game. On top of that Florida State took a loss and looked horrible again this past week. Louisville looks like less. It is hard to see Clemson not making the Championship Game with more than 1 loss.

    For now can not justify any changes in my picks.
    How are your teams doing?
    Remember changes can be made up until the deadline.

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    Clemson
    Georgia
    Ohio State
    Wisconsin
    "And that's all I have to say about that."

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    The FF Committee has done an excellent job at lining up the best two teams each year which is their mission.
    I believe each year the real National Champion has been discovered.

    I am 100% against expanding to 8 teams, 16 teams, 50 teams as where does it end?

    A huge tradition as to College Football is Bowl Games. In any given year at least 100 teams are not playing from day one to be the National Champs, but to do their best and hope meet a team they might not normally face in a Bowl Game.
    All my CFB viewing life has been enriched by BOWL games that had meaning.
    I have attended many and hope to again.
    BOWL games have meaning to fans and players.

    The CFB FF Committee choosing 4 teams detracts some from Bowl Games, but not too much and the result is better - for me.
    Going beyond 4 teams really cuts into the great Bowl system.

    CFB is fun but not important and not real life. Keeping CFB as alive as possible for as many as possible and still producing a true yearly champion has been a chore for decades. So far the FF Committee has succeeded. I look forward to fun debates as to to the National Champions picked so far not being the right one.

    The FF Committee is much about humans so their debate is fun. What they use to determine is clear as a muddy pond.

    I do believe they are real experts and endeavor to not let personal bias enter. That is not possible, and they understand that. I have 99.9% confidence in them.

    I know change is always afoot, but vote never to change the FF Committee and especially the limit of 4 teams. Four teams has brought us the true National Champion 100% with less disruption to Bowl games , and I see no reason to mess with that type success.

    Football aint basketball. Football players are near toast by end of season. Adding more playoff games is not beneficial to find the National Champion and more games will add to injury as these guys are shot.

    More games are not needed to find the champs and history bears that out.
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    Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. - Thoreau

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    1. Clemson
    2. Washington
    3. Alabama
    4. Penn State

    Watch out for Virginia Tech next year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sppixley View Post

    Watch out for Virginia Tech next year!

    I will be watching out for them this year.
    History has proven that a Bud Foster Defense can win any game. That is a proven fact.
    A couple years back I told all here to watch Clemson "next" year, and they messed me up by being great that year. You can look it up.

    VT has a solid team.
    The schedule is not too bad. Winning that side of the ACC has been less difficult lately and again this year. Get into the ACC Championship, and anything can happen in one game.

    The only hard game is Notre Dame played at VT. Even losing that has no bearing on the ACC quest.
    VT going 11-1 is not a stretch.
    Going 10-2 and making the ACC Championship will never be easier.
    9-3 might even get VT in.

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    I will go with Alabama, TCU, Michigan, Florida. I am 100 percent for expanding the playoff until every major conf champ (five) are automatically in. Last year was crap. Alabama did not win the sec, did not win the western division of the sec, did not even win the state of alabama but got in. Not for what they did on the field but for their amazing talent. They were ranked fifth at the end of the regular season but the bookies had them as favorites if they got in. I say do the five champs plus one at large for six total. The top two seeds get a bye while 3 hosts 6 and 4 hosts 5 in early Dec. The winners play the top two seeds in late December. This gets all the champs in, maintains bowls, and allows teams to stop scheduling patsies non conf as losses out of conf will not doom you.

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    Stop the press !!!

    My FF Four post was to be "tempting bait" to draw out Elgrau who claims he will pick winners but ignore the discussion until the FF is more than four.

    Today my old friend George posted, and now Ed has a soul mate.
    Like Ed, George is very opinionated, and why we are all friends.

    George and I have been friends "disagreeing" for decades. I set up the email he still uses before he knew how to turn a computer on.
    Like Tony, George is a retired teacher and also a legend as a foot racer.

    Let the fun begin!!
    (more fun if cranky Ed will join in).

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    ^ What he said...and pretty much exactly what I proposed last year: conf. champs get automatic ins (like in the pros..), with x number of "wildcards" to fill out the brackets and recognize that some conferences will have more than one "standout" team other than the conf. champion (and with or without 1st round byes - I say yes to 1st round byes for top two seeds, just to give the committees something to feel "important" about and satisfy their egos)! End the stupidity of "figure skating judges" deciding who's worthy....this needs to be decided ON THE FIELD OF PLAY (i.e., the "regular season"). Just like the pros do it (and NO pro's would EVER stand for "experts" deciding who gets to go to the playoffs and who does not). Current system has always sucked and always will suck (and most importantly, the current system is not fair to the PLAYERS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwalkerruns View Post
    I will go with Alabama, TCU, Michigan, Florida. I am 100 percent for expanding the playoff until every major conf champ (five) are automatically in. Last year was crap. Alabama did not win the sec, did not win the western division of the sec, did not even win the state of alabama but got in. Not for what they did on the field but for their amazing talent. They were ranked fifth at the end of the regular season but the bookies had them as favorites if they got in. I say do the five champs plus one at large for six total. The top two seeds get a bye while 3 hosts 6 and 4 hosts 5 in early Dec. The winners play the top two seeds in late December. This gets all the champs in, maintains bowls, and allows teams to stop scheduling patsies non conf as losses out of conf will not doom you.
    I disagree. I see no reason why all the teams you see as "champs" should be in.
    Alabama did not win the SEC but that is not a requirement.
    The goal of the FF Committee is to find the National Champion.
    To say Alabama was not that in 2017 is ridiculous.

    Putting in the five Power Champs +1 makes no sense except to "feel good' snowflakes. The goal is to find the "National Champion", and the FF Committee are 100%.

    Just being in a Power Five Conference means squat. The deal is what transpired in the season. Schools not in the "power five" can do like Notre Dame can choose to play a schedule on that level, but they do not. If ND wins they belong in, if the others do, they do not.

    To date 3 of the power five conferences have been left at home. I like that. That makes it more fun as no one has a sure route in. That alone validates the FF Committee as to politics.

    Non conference games are great and encouraged by the FF Committee. No one is doomed (but rewarded) for playing them. If Clemson looses to Texas A$M they are not out. If they loose their last game to USuCk they don't deserve to be in.

    As to bookies, I agree, but that crap started this week with the Coaches Poll.
    I believe all teams should start off ranked where they left the season before as they "earned' that. Instead "idiots" come out with a list where no one has earned squat.
    It is very important.
    If you are up there, you remain until beaten. If not up there you can't climb until those ahead loose.

    Prime examples would be:

    - Michigan who finished unranked and now by magic is #14.
    - Washington went from 15 to #6?
    - Central Florida went from 7 to #23?

    In 2017 Teams earned their ranking, but it is not carried over.
    Now "experts" are placing them, not "on the field play". This is not a crap poll but one with meaning as to final rankings.
    It obviously is a crap poll.

    This poll influences as to who the FF will be and who will go to what Bowl.

    For example, Clemson is #2. As long as they win, they will not fall below that. They start with Furman (a local high school), and no matter what happens across the nation, if they win win --> will remain at #2.
    If Auburn kicks the crap out of Washington on day one (or the reverse) will they take top 5 if those ranked above them "by idiots" beat some school no one has heard of? -> nope. That is crap.

    There is just one official poll the FF looks at. It should not come out until October.

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