Results 1 to 15 of 36

Thread: CLEMSON 2018 Football

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686

    CLEMSON 2018 Football

    The 2017 season exceeded my (and most people's) expectations. To be honest, so have the last few seasons.
    I know all are waiting to hear what I think of our 2018 Team.

    I generally start upset as many of the guys I know graduate or leave early to make some money. I always see gloom and doom. Then after Spring Practice my hopes go up, and by Fall kick off, am "all in".

    It is too early today to know who is leaving.
    We already know a top lineman and a top receiver are leaving early. That list will grow.
    We know some excellent guys are graduating.
    Almost all graduate under Dabo, even the guys who leave early. He even brings back guys who have been gone years before he was coach and gets them back working on their degree.
    Graduating is a must for Dabo, and parents like that.

    Teams change every year in CFB at all schools and is what adds to the fun.

    This year I suspect only one guy from the "D" line will return. It was a great line. They are why we over achieved. As sad as that is, the 2018 line will be good.

    This year the "O" line will also take hits. The "O" line of 2017 was the best at Clemson in a long time. I suspect it will take a step back, but still be OK.

    Running backs, receivers, and secondary "D" guys will also change some, but I don't see any drop off there. I see all those to be better in 2108.

    This time last year the projection by experts and fans was 2nd or 3rd in the ACC and hope to win 9 games.
    I believe this 2018 team will be pre-season favorite to win the ACC and win all the games. That rarely happens, but preseason I think they will be the Vegas favorite in all 12 games.

    I don't see the 2018 team as better than 2017, but no one saw how good 2017 would be.
    This year they are expected to win.

  2. #2
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    I like to get out before the experts so my crap is not a rehash.
    I am most times wrong as I am not an expert.
    Actually, I am as I have over 50 years of spectator status.
    Most things are obvious, and experts will work those points to ad nauseam.

    The QB is the most important position in CFB. This year Alabama won by changing in the last game. The guy who got them there was benched and a true freshman played. Clemson did not have that courage.

    At a few colleges the QB is set.
    Fun facts I can think of:

    -- Mayfield will finally be gone from Oklahoma after 9 years. They have a top guy ready to step in, but no one is Mayfield.

    -- Georgia has Fromn, and a 5star who wants (deserves?) the job. Fromn keeps this job and of course improves as the teenager gets a year older.

    -- At Alabama, Hurts took them to the final game for the second year and was benched for a freshman. Who starts next season? Saban knows, but we will not untill kick off.

    -- At OHS after what seems like forever, finally Barrett leaves. OHS has 3 guys who might be better who are eager to battle for the job. Keep in mind that in the CFB Championship it was AL freshman against Ga freshman. OHS will be a better team in 2108, and they were not shabby this year. These guys are not freshmen.

    -- Michigan has talent and a top QB is transferring in. Is this the year of Harbaugh?

    -- Around the country are great QBs. Many like the guy at NCS are coming back.

    -- Clemson is all we really care about, but I need a new post to have fun with it.

  3. #3
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    Clemson QB.

    These guys below are Tigers, and I am a Tiger fan. I hate to say it, but hope some will transfer to give them the opportunity they have earned. I understand how had that would be as they are even bigger Tiger fans than am I.


    Bryant led a CLEMSON team expected to win 8 games to the FF. The guy is very good. It is doubtful that one of the younger QBs could have done that.
    He will be back and improved. Coach Dabo will start him as that is who Dabo is.
    Only an idiot would disagree.

    Bryant was not the best QB at Clemson this year. He was 3rd. He was the best choice to win games.

    Now at CLEMSON are 5 excellent QBs. Bryant may be the one with the least talent. He does not have NFL talent. He can pass, but not on an elite level. He is the best runner by far. There will be a lot of "hype" about the best man plays, but he will start. Like in 2017, the team will win and Bryant may keep the job all season. It is the "DABO way".

    If this happens, there is no reason to think Clemson will not again be in the FF.
    The running backs will be stronger, and the receivers will be improved, but underused. In 2017 the receivers were under used as Bryant is not a great passer. Diehards will point to numbers, but most of that is short pass and yards gained after the catch.

    On roster at Clemson for 2018 are maybe the best receivers in CFB. Bryant is not a natural passer. Our running backs are good, but our receivers could be great.

    "The WTF factor" -- the big deal is said to be for a kid to learn the play book and the speed of college. It is hard, but kids show it can be done every year, especially this year in in the FF. Mayfield was the best by far, but lacked the team around him of Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson. Alabama has not had a "GREAT" QB in a long time. Our kids (except for the new guy) know the playbook and could coach it. The WTF factor is being demolished.

    CLEMSON BENCH --

    -----cooper.jpgZerrick Cooper (GA) was the back up. He is better than Bryant. He is 6'2 and has serious skills. He can run and pass. He can start on most teams. 2018 will be his 3rd year at Clemson, but I think he will transfer to play. He does not want to, but it is best as he is never going to start at Clemson.

    -----brice.jpgChase Brice (GA) is 6'2 and due to getting to Clemson in the Fall, was a red shirt. His high school record is off the chart. All were amazed when he chose Clemson. It would appear he be down the line (on the bench), but he thinks not. I know less about him, but I like his attitude. Now he has been at Clemson for a year and still believes he will play. His talent is as good as anyone - anywhere. I don't know if he will transfer. Like him, I believe the Tigers would be hard to beat with him at the QB. Spring practice will decide his future. I like him a lot. Imagine, this guy was a redshirt and could have started on most teams. He is better than both guys who were in the Championship game.

    ----- hunter.jpgHunter Johnson (IN) was 3rd string and now has a season under his belt. He is 6'4 and is sure to play in the NFL. He is a 5 star who can throw better than most pros, and certainly better than college players. He intends to earn the job. Will he be given the chance? I don't know. It seems doubtful as Dabo is sure to go again with Bryant out of loyalty if nothing else. He played well in 3rd string mop up duty this year. As to talent, he is maybe the 3th best ever to take the field at Clemson and he aint yet had a chance to make his stock rise.

    -----tucker.jpg Tucker Israel (FL) is 5'11. As a 4th year guy he knows the system better than any QB. Injury has limited him. All he did in Florida was shatter all the state records set by guys like Teebow and Watson. He is a guy us Tiger fans are eager to see on the field.
    Is he the best ever passer at Clemson - maybe. He now has maturity and the experience of a coach. I am positive that if he were the starting QB, Clemson would go back to the FF.
    I don't think he has a shot in hell of being the starter, but if needed, all will be OK when ever he enters a game.

    ----- lawrence.jpgTrevor Lawrence (Ga) 6'6, is the new kid who came on campus this week. He is said to be the best player of a generation -> a god. Why he chose Clemson is a mystery. He did it early and is largely responsible for the great 2018 class as he has been recruiting. Guys want to play on his team. To read the hype, he is better than Watson, or anyone. He takes it in stride. He should start in 2018 (for the long term) so he can gain experience, but he won't. Bryant will. Can he rise above the talent listed above already here and experienced? That would seem an impossible task as Clemson is loaded, but experts say he is a football god.

    The talent at QB for Clemson is -> the best any college ever had. Only one can play.
    I like (I love) all these guys. Everyone of these guys can lead the Tigers. There is not a wrong choice.

    THERE IS NOT A WRONG CHOICE.


  4. #4
    hope tucker wins it

  5. #5
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    Why did the best "D" line in America return and reject the NFL $$.

    They were/are a team. They play as a group. They are all off the chart, but apparently the NFL graded none of them as 1st round picks.

    They have returned to clear that misconception up.

    The 2018 line will be: Clelin Ferrell, Dexter Lawrence, Christian Wilkins, and Austin Bryant all now a year older and with exceptional experience -- on a mission!

    Now if these guys were the best as a team last year, who thinks this year will be a step back?
    Of course they will need backup. The Tigers thought all these were leaving. Maybe better guys them then are now kinda pissed. Guys chomping at the bit for playing time are on campus.

    The "O" remains a fun mystery, but the Tiger "D" has never been better. Last year NFL caliber guys lined up and crushed. They are all back.

  6. #6
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc expect to be great.
    This is a new and strange era for Clemson fans.

    When you consider a small college back in the woods with much less $$ is doing this -> red flags go off as to cheating.
    I don't believe any of that is going on.
    I believe that by accident Coach Dabo found a job and is the real deal.

  7. #7
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    All who love college football understand the Tiger "D" this year might be our best ever.
    Today in practice our "O" ran all over them. Our "D" coach gets like a trillion dollars and is underpaid. Check back here later. I believe the Tigers are yet again a real team.

  8. #8
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    Quote Originally Posted by AgentOrange View Post
    Clemson QB.

    These guys below are Tigers, and I am a Tiger fan. I hate to say it, but hope some will transfer to give them the opportunity they have earned. I understand how had that would be as they are even bigger Tiger fans than am I.


    Bryant led a CLEMSON team expected to win 8 games to the FF. The guy is very good. It is doubtful that one of the younger QBs could have done that.
    He will be back and improved. Coach Dabo will start him as that is who Dabo is.
    Only an idiot would disagree.

    Bryant was not the best QB at Clemson this year. He was 3rd. He was the best choice to win games.

    Now at CLEMSON are 5 excellent QBs. Bryant may be the one with the least talent. He does not have NFL talent. He can pass, but not on an elite level. He is the best runner by far. There will be a lot of "hype" about the best man plays, but he will start. Like in 2017, the team will win and Bryant may keep the job all season. It is the "DABO way".

    If this happens, there is no reason to think Clemson will not again be in the FF.
    The running backs will be stronger, and the receivers will be improved, but underused. In 2017 the receivers were under used as Bryant is not a great passer. Diehards will point to numbers, but most of that is short pass and yards gained after the catch.

    On roster at Clemson for 2018 are maybe the best receivers in CFB. Bryant is not a natural passer. Our running backs are good, but our receivers could be great.

    "The WTF factor" -- the big deal is said to be for a kid to learn the play book and the speed of college. It is hard, but kids show it can be done every year, especially this year in in the FF. Mayfield was the best by far, but lacked the team around him of Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson. Alabama has not had a "GREAT" QB in a long time. Our kids (except for the new guy) know the playbook and could coach it. The WTF factor is being demolished.

    CLEMSON BENCH --

    -----cooper.jpgZerrick Cooper (GA) was the back up. He is better than Bryant. He is 6'2 and has serious skills. He can run and pass. He can start on most teams. 2018 will be his 3rd year at Clemson, but I think he will transfer to play. He does not want to, but it is best as he is never going to start at Clemson.

    -----brice.jpgChase Brice (GA) is 6'2 and due to getting to Clemson in the Fall, was a red shirt. His high school record is off the chart. All were amazed when he chose Clemson. It would appear he be down the line (on the bench), but he thinks not. I know less about him, but I like his attitude. Now he has been at Clemson for a year and still believes he will play. His talent is as good as anyone - anywhere. I don't know if he will transfer. Like him, I believe the Tigers would be hard to beat with him at the QB. Spring practice will decide his future. I like him a lot. Imagine, this guy was a redshirt and could have started on most teams. He is better than both guys who were in the Championship game.

    ----- hunter.jpgHunter Johnson (IN) was 3rd string and now has a season under his belt. He is 6'4 and is sure to play in the NFL. He is a 5 star who can throw better than most pros, and certainly better than college players. He intends to earn the job. Will he be given the chance? I don't know. It seems doubtful as Dabo is sure to go again with Bryant out of loyalty if nothing else. He played well in 3rd string mop up duty this year. As to talent, he is maybe the 3th best ever to take the field at Clemson and he aint yet had a chance to make his stock rise.

    -----tucker.jpg Tucker Israel (FL) is 5'11. As a 4th year guy he knows the system better than any QB. Injury has limited him. All he did in Florida was shatter all the state records set by guys like Teebow and Watson. He is a guy us Tiger fans are eager to see on the field.
    Is he the best ever passer at Clemson - maybe. He now has maturity and the experience of a coach. I am positive that if he were the starting QB, Clemson would go back to the FF.
    I don't think he has a shot in hell of being the starter, but if needed, all will be OK when ever he enters a game.

    ----- lawrence.jpgTrevor Lawrence (Ga) 6'6, is the new kid who came on campus this week. He is said to be the best player of a generation -> a god. Why he chose Clemson is a mystery. He did it early and is largely responsible for the great 2018 class as he has been recruiting. Guys want to play on his team. To read the hype, he is better than Watson, or anyone. He takes it in stride. He should start in 2018 (for the long term) so he can gain experience, but he won't. Bryant will. Can he rise above the talent listed above already here and experienced? That would seem an impossible task as Clemson is loaded, but experts say he is a football god.

    The talent at QB for Clemson is -> the best any college ever had. Only one can play.
    I like (I love) all these guys. Everyone of these guys can lead the Tigers. There is not a wrong choice.

    THERE IS NOT A WRONG CHOICE.

    This post was in January and now we are near Fall practice.
    What is my beer telling me these days?

    Instead of many great QBs who could lead Clemson to another ACC Championship, we are down to 3. I like that as I like all the guys and want them to have the best chance to excel. That means loving Clemson, but taking a role somewhere else. I hope they all win the job at their new colleges and dominate.

    Left are three incredible guys in Brice, Bryant, and Lawrence.
    It is obvious the Tigers can win the ACC with any of them.

    --Brice is excellent, I really like everything about the guy and his game. He can win us a National Championship.
    --Bryant already proved he can win the ACC. He has age, experience, talent, and is a dream come true.
    --Lawrence is touted as a football god with talent to spare. By all reports, he is not overrated, and that is scary!

    Yesterday at ACC Media day Dabo implied that the team chooses as the guys figure it out in practice. The great DE Clelin Ferrell was there and said the team is solid behind Bryant as they all know what he can do.
    Fall practice could change that, but unlikely. The deal is Brice or Lawrence would have to be "much" better and they are not. They have more passing talent, but bring less right now in other areas as they lack experience.

    I would start Bryant and have Brice as #2.

    What will happen is Bryant will start against Furman, but Lawrence will get real snaps in the first half with the first team. Brice will clean up in the 4th quarter with the 2nd team.

    At Texas A&M -- ????
    Bryant will of course start. If T-A&M plays like all expect them too, Lawrence could take over the job. If points are needed, he or Brice are the better choices. As the Tiger "D" is solid, points may be less of a deal.
    If this game is not as tough as expected, Bryant rolls on as #1 the entire season.

    The "real deal" is not about these guys but about the CLEMSON team. Who (including all the media experts) will bet their house against this "TEAM' winning the ACC no matter which of the incredible guys are QB?
    How many colleges will start a QB better than any of these?
    The main worries as to the Tigers this season is certainly not about QB.

  9. #9
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    Fifteen days until kick off. I getting excited and nervous.
    I suspect yall are worried because I have not updated my Tiger Thinking for a couple days.

    From what I read (and I read everything), Fall practice has gone well so far. No major injuries, and some who were banged up are returning to team. That is good especially in the secondary and at tight end where we are a little weak.

    A surprise has been a tiny guy (175lbs) who just arrived on campus. He is a 3star running back from Georgia none of the Blue Blood colleges wanted -> Lyn-J
    Dixon. The Tigers are more solid at RB this season than any I can remember recently since maybe Davis-Spiller. In the stable are Choice(326yds), Feaster(669yds), and Etienne(766yds). No experts are saying Clemson will be killing opponents running the ball with these guys, but that is exactly what what I expect. I believe stopping the Tiger run game will be more than teams can accomplish. The Tigers are going to run the ball.

    So where does Dixon fit in? Well he doe not, expect a red shirt so he can grow a little. No big deal as it is difficult for any freshman to start on a major team with this many proven vets.
    WTF has been going on in practice, and the teen has been killing it. Apparently he is tough and fast. He of course lacks knowledge of all the duties evolved (like blocking), but is turning all heads. All the players are impressed including the other running backs. With the new rule this year where players can do 4 games and still red shirt, so look for some fun from this guy.

    Dixon gives the Tigers 3 guys who can take it the house on any play, and Choice is a killer in the Red Zone.
    To run the ball you need a good "O" line, and Clemson has that covered.

  10. #10
    MG AgentOrange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,686
    Got in an email, and yes I know Clemson has less talent than many SEC and Big Ten teams. No matter as I am a fan.
    I get excited during recruiting , and go over board when one commits to be a Tiger. I generally know much about them before they arrive on campus, then I keep up with them for a few years more. I know every player, not just the ones the media likes.

    Coming to Clemson would make some kids cringe. Others visit and can't wait to join the team. Tigertown aint for all.
    Many high school football players are local stars and treated special. They have to abandon that to come here (or to some other colleges).

    A huge difference in the "haves" and "have less" is not just good players, but many good players. A team with some good players can hang with a Georgia or a OHS for a while. As the game plays on, the "have less" teams get tired. The "have" teams are deep and keep players going in an out. Going into the last quarters, the fresher guys take over.

    Teams like Alabama and Georgia have 5star players as water boys. They go 3 deep at most positions.
    Clemson has a couple of those top players and a lot of guys seen as less during recruiting that have developed. This 2018 Tiger team is deep and will not tire, nor have they for the last years.

    Watch the games with that in mind.
    Good teams with very good players will wear down as games play out. It is not about an inspiring speech like in the movies. These guys are special, but bodies often can't do what the mind demands. The guys they are facing are special too, and there are just many more of them.

    Every team most believe have a shot at the FF later is deep. The "blue bloods" always are deep with talent and why they are placed preseason at the top every year for decades.

    Injuries happen on every team. Players can't play or play banged up. Football is tough. Coaches that have a bad season always 100% of the time bring up injuries. Teams like Texas and Florida can't say that. How may believe if the Notre Dame left guard goes down or even the Georgia QB is lost -- they can't can't win out?

    As this thread is about the Tiger 2018 team - I will panic if/when players are injuried. The team will not as it will just be next man up for them. Just this week I read as to a Freshman who would start at DE for 110 of the 120 colleges as he is physically ready. Xavier Thomas a 260lb DE being taught DT just for this season. He aint big enough for that, but is all in as he would play less just as a DE this year.
    Can he fill in for a down here and there for Big Dex who is 350 and may be the #1 NFL pick? Nope, but can he wreck havok from there on a few downs?
    It is as much fun as when 10star DT Wilkins switches to half back< DE, or Line Backer on some plays.

    Clemson is deep this year.
    If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer.
    Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. - Thoreau

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •